I concur as far as science goes, but who says that science is the final arbiter to “Test” revelation (Testable or Non-Testable)? Who/what judges science, and the “objective” minds that determine what is testable and what is not?

Thanks!

Mike

Some questions/reactions to your comments:

Where in Lewontin’s piece is the implication that the Bible does not contain scientific truth?

What language of ’spirituality and belief’ does he use?

Which academics have this ‘hard time’ you talk about?

sermonrant,

Testable (verifiable / checkable) revelations are legitimate subjects of science - not because they are revelations, but because they are testable. If a particular revelation does not check out a scientist can reject the test or reject the revelation. His decision will depend on his confidence in the test, his faith, etc. If he winds up believing that the test falsifies the revelation, YOU would do well to understand his test before labeling his decision ’scorn’.

Non-testable revelations science can only ignore - not because they are revelations, but becuase they are un-testable. If you consider this to be scorn, you would do well to ask yourself how two scientists with conflicting non-testable revealed beliefs would resolve their conflict.

I agree whole heartedly! I love Tim Keller’s sermons, what I said/meant, is the book is up to an equal task. That wasn’t to downplay his sermons, but to buoy the content of the book!

Thanks much!

These sermons cut me like a knife. I don’t want to be told I’m a good person with no sin, no faults. I’ve heard that sermon many, many times. A person can only eat so many Twinkies before they begin looking for steak. I found some steak. If I need a Twinkie I know where to look.

I support three little boys through World Vision who are from Honduras, Ecuador, and the Philippines. Where am I being racist? Where am I showing hatred? I feel like I’m being lumped into some category that I can’t escape due to the unfortunate decisions of my ancestors, whom I never met. I barely knew my grandfather on my mother’s side, who came from Scotland.

I’ll be the first to admit I’m a sinner, but aren’t we all? God is working daily on my heart.
When will I be forgiven by man, for the sins of my fathers? I know God has forgiven me. He died for me on the cross. It’s getting a little old hearing that I don’t reach out in love. Tell that to the three little boys I help support. And countless other people I have helped in time of need because the Lord touched my heart to reach out to them. I didn’t stop and check their nationality first.

I can tell you what I do hate for sure. I hate being blamed for wrongs I didn’t commit. Blame me all day for my mistakes. I will throw myself at the foot of the cross and repent.

I don’t know Rev. Wright outside of the clips I’ve heard repeatedly on various talk shows, but I have heard Tony Evans, of the Urban Alternative many times, and I don’t hear anger at America from this black preacher. I hear a man who loves the Lord. I have learned a lot from Tony Evans about loving Christ. I have stepped back with great concern listening to Rev. Wright, knowing that he is the mentor to a man who is now running for the highest office in the most powerful country in the world.

I don’t like any of the candidates currently running. If I had my druthers Jesus would return this very moment and rule and reign forever, because frankly, He’s the only truly capable Leader. I’m getting alone with everyone, as best as I can. When do I get credit for that?

My guilt stems from wondering if I am really growing when my circumstances are muted by the joy of living. Kind of a conundrum I know. But even in a gift like this, our sin nature can still shadow our relationship with God. I guess that is what I need to watch for.

Thanks for this post though.